DUST Search - He is NASTY with the MD [video]

Ydubbs81 RND wrote:

Buster Friently wrote:

Takahiro Kashuken wrote:

Laurent Cazaderon wrote:

Like i tweeted a few minutes ago... This video is ..... "Meh...."
It's a huge plead on how the MD is a weapon with which you need average aim to get the job done. I'll acknowledge though that this dude knows its distance shot.

But in that video, there are more than half the kills which at close range get the job done while landing at 4-5 m from the target and without even hurting the owner.

I always hated grenade launcher.

Aim?

lolworthy

I hate to tell you guys, but you need arguably better aim with the MD than with, say, the AR.

MD - not hitscan, so you have to predict where the player will be and land the MD round there
MD - MUST aim for a surface near the target, but not the target itself (I think this part is what confuses most of you AR people into thinking you don't need aim)
MD - shoot too close and you kill yourself

The MD requires a different kind of aim than hitscan weapons to be sure, but it is by no means easier. Having said that, I prefer the MD playstyle myself, but that's all it is - a playstyle preference.

If MDs were super easy to own up with, everyone would be using them - reference: AR

Eveeryone uses ARs because that's what people are used to using in fps games. How can the MD be harder than an AR when your aim has to be precise in order to kill as opposed to MDs where you kill even if it isn't a direct hit and you miss. All that you have to do is hit in the area and they are dead. Not to mention, the proto MDs have a much larger splash damage radius and can kill much easier.


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Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 190	Posted - 2013.03.07 20:18:00 - [1] - Quote DEADPOOL5241 wrote: Dude just because you can make a video does not mean you should make a video. I saw nothing other then a normal player using MD. He hardly strafes, his shots are slow and off right. I saw no 1 shots, not one single jump 180 and fire kills.. a few two for one kills but adding slow motion was lame. Well if you are that much better than the OP why donGÇÖt you post a video? I would like to see you in action. As someone who has tried to use the Mass Driver, the OPGÇÖs video was quite impressive to me. I canGÇÖt even come close to being that effective with it. Also, I did see a 1 shot in there at 1:56.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 191	Posted - 2013.03.07 20:39:00 - [2] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Laurent Cazaderon wrote: Like i tweeted a few minutes ago... This video is ..... "Meh...." It's a huge plead on how the MD is a weapon with which you need average aim to get the job done. I'll acknowledge though that this dude knows its distance shot. But in that video, there are more than half the kills which at close range get the job done while landing at 4-5 m from the target and without even hurting the owner. I always hated grenade launcher. Aim? lolworthy I hate to tell you guys, but you need arguably better aim with the MD than with, say, the AR. MD - not hitscan, so you have to predict where the player will be and land the MD round there MD - MUST aim for a surface near the target, but not the target itself (I think this part is what confuses most of you AR people into thinking you don't need aim) MD - shoot too close and you kill yourself The MD requires a different kind of aim than hitscan weapons to be sure, but it is by no means easier. Having said that, I prefer the MD playstyle myself, but that's all it is - a playstyle preference. If MDs were super easy to own up with, everyone would be using them - reference: AR Eveeryone uses ARs because that's what people are used to using in fps games. How can the MD be harder than an AR when your aim has to be precise in order to kill as opposed to MDs where you kill even if it isn't a direct hit and you miss. All that you have to do is hit in the area and they are dead. Not to mention, the proto MDs have a much larger splash damage radius and can kill much easier. Spoken like someone who has never used a Mass Driver. Easer than an Assault Riffle? Really? Even I can get kills with an Assault Riffle.
Fox Gaden DUST University Ivy League 194	Posted - 2013.03.08 13:28:00 - [3] - Quote Scalesdini wrote: Buster Friently wrote: OK, I explained some of it already, but let me try again. Because the MD is not hitscan, you must aim in time and space. Because most weapons are hitscan, you only need to aim in space. If that makes no sense to you - brain up. Also, the AR fires much faster than the MD, so yes, you have to point the AR at the target. The MD you have to point the weapon at the target as well, but differently as explained aboce. With the MD you get 6 shots (8 on the Assault variants). 6 shots - that's all. Also, you have a total of 18 shots in the gun, then you need supplies. This is a big limitation. There are other issues that make the MD more difficult to use than casual observation would suggest. I invite anyone who thinks the MD is an "easy" weapon to use, to try it for a while and see how it really works. It has it's place, but it is by no means easier than the "default" AR weapon. I think the funniest part is where you mentioned "mass driver" and "aim" in the same sentence. It goes more like this: With MD you kinda point yourself in the general direction of the red dots a bit and then mash R1 repeatedly until all the squishy things die from your 50m splash radius grenade launcher that does virtually no self-damage to the operator outside of him sticking the MD into an enemy's ribs and pulling the trigger. btw, the other weapons do not instantly hit when you pull the trigger. Basing MD's "aiming" (lol) on the incorrect assumption that just because it has the lowest muzzle velocity it's the only one you have to "aim in time and space" is lulzy. Let me give you some more realistic scenarios: AR: Red charges at you across a field. You point your AR riffle at them then swing it left and right until the red X appears to tell you they are lined up. You pull the trigger and do damage. They strafe. You keep the trigger depressed to pull your rain of fire back across them. They start shooting at you, so you strafe while still spraying. They go down. You get a kill. Not the best techniques, but not difficult. MD: Red charges at you across a field. You aim at Red and fire. You shot lands 20m in front of him due to drop. You do 5% damage to his shields. You aim up over his head. Too far. You next shot lands 30m behind him. You drop your aim and fire again. Your round flies over his shoulder and lands 20m behind him. You try to aim at his feet but misjudge and hit 10m in front of him. You do another 20% damage to his shields. You start backpedalling and fire again at the ground under his feet. Too close. You do 30% damage to his shields, but 50% damage to your own. It looks like he has decided to melee you to death or shoot you from point blank range. As he gets into melee range you shoot him in the chest killing him and you both. (I have had this scenario play out at least 4 times.) Mass Driver is fun to use because the explosions look cool, but trajectory analysis is a real head game. You donGÇÖt have to think when using and Assault Riffle. You just aim and shoot. It is just about hand-eye coordination. With a Mass Driver it is constantly running physics problems in your head. You canGÇÖt just aim at anything beyond 15m. You have to aim above your target for your round to get their, and you have to figure out how much to aim above your target. You also have to look for something to splash your round off of to make an explosion, and the ground is a lot harder to judge than walls are. If someone is standing in front of the broad side of a barn, then yes, it will be easy to kill them, but if they are in the open, or behind cover, it is much more difficult. When an Assault Riffle misses it is usually a few inches to the left or right of the target. When a Mass Driver misses it is usually 20m in front or behind the target. I find the constant physics problems of using a Mass Driver to be fun, and I would like to get better at using the weapon, but I think I am a fairly solid example of how this weapon is not a GÇ£Noob TubGÇ¥ that any unskilled player can pick up and get kills with. I can get way more kills with either my SMG or my Sniper Riffle right now than I can get with a Mass Driver. They are way easier to use, as is the Assault Riffle. I think the Mass Driver is very well balanced against other weapons right now, particularly since it is meant more as an area denial weapon than a weapon to get kills with.